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Post by oldirish33 on Jul 12, 2022 11:14:36 GMT -5
Very interesting to read the history of those cars, I love that there are still many mysteries left to unravel. The cars look extremely '60s but there isn't a Jaguar element in any of them apart from the leaping cat. Matrix did their usual stellar job on the models- a step up from the old Neo with their sometimes misshapen bodies. The Bertone cars are certainly interesting and can't help but think that they looked very fresh and modern at the time. Jaguar seriously considered a production run of these cars, but were caught up in the BMH merger at the time and could no longer do as they pleased. Matrix consistently turn out top quality models and ones that are consistently unique as well. I agree Jeff! Although he only raced it twice, it is the most famous 3.4 for its International Trophy wins, but also infamous for Hawthorn's tragic death. In see no problem at all in having two cars that are very similar, especially when they are quite good looking! Spark look to have done a wonderful job on the Hawthorn Jaguar, there are some lovely details to ponder. If they cars were the same car, just different colors I would have picked one and been happy with that. I can't say they are my favorite design done on a Jaguar chassis, but over time have grown on me. Its actually a Matrix model and I agree, it is a super rendition of the car. Really enjoyed your show-car story of the Italianate Jaguars Jerry! I love that area of coachbuilt weirdness and the plot really does seem to thicken when the base is NOT an Italian marque. Other examples of this include coachbuilt Mopar & AMC products which are mesmerizingly bizarre. Gosh, imagine being the follow-up to the Miura's debut? That's like being Tiny Tim as the opening act to the Beatles or Stones or The Who in their prime Thanks BB. I wish there was more explanation as to why the cars never went into limited production. In terms of loveliness and excitement motorcar wise, the Miura definitely deserved center stage, the FT Bertone 3.8S Coupe was definitely a see what else we have done showing. Tiny Tim opening for the Stones, now there is a picture! The Who actually opened for the Beatles on their 1964 tour in the USA. Hawthorn's Jaguar is stunning with all its little details. I'd heard it was coming but didn't know it was out yet. The Tarchini Jaguars are very interesting. I suspect the only thing that limits demand to 408 pieces is Matrix's prices, and were these cheaper I'm sure they would sell more. Yes, the 3.4 Jaguar is a super model. It is one of three that they are doing. One from 1957, this one from 1958 and another from 1959. Of course the other two are on order. The 3.8S FT Bertone is already sold out at retailers. I don't think price has much to do with it and selling cheaper would not change that. It might make models being resold a bit cheaper for awhile. At just over $100 USD with shipping, I am glad I am not trying to add many Matrix models and wouldn't if their quality wasn't so high. This brings up an observation. I saw some new Looksmarts being advertised for $120 USD, plus shipping the other day. Definitely in the range where I would have serious pause about buying. I'm glad I'm not trying to build a collection today. Prices, combined with the rapid pace at which all makers are releasing new models makes it very difficult for any but the very well heeled to keep up. I see the new releases and think, if I were starting out collecting, or in my "collecting prime" there would be more new releases than I could rationalize spending money on. Once maybe, but the onslaught seems to be constant. I know that the makers have large factories they are trying to keep going, but it makes one stop and wonder what is their strategy and are many collectors getting priced out of the hobby?
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Post by Tom on Jul 12, 2022 12:07:04 GMT -5
I asked myself that same question after Audi started farming out all their 1:43s of the upmarket models to Looksmart and I was facing a four-figure bill if I wanted to keep up. I decided that I didn’t, and this annoyed me so that I stopped collecting altogether for a couple of years.
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Post by oldirish33 on Jul 12, 2022 12:49:19 GMT -5
I asked myself that same question after Audi started farming out all their 1:43s of the upmarket models to Looksmart and I was facing a four-figure bill if I wanted to keep up. I decided that I didn’t, and this annoyed me so that I stopped collecting altogether for a couple of years. Just for grins, I looked at the new releases in 1/43 at Replicarz the past two weeks. I realize that there are many factors at play (global shipping and distribution/Chinese New Year, etc.), which can impact the speed at which new models are released, but here is what I found and gives one some pause when you realize the number, the cost and other things like economic reality for most of us, you scratch your head. Feels like trying to drink out of a fire hose! Last week they received 6 new Looksmart models, 29 Spark and 3 TSM. Looking at these new releases for models I would want in my collection to upgrade or add, I would have liked four Looksmarts (all Ferrari 275 and 330P's from Sebring 1965) and six Sparks. The bill with my discount would have been $788 plus shipping, so easily over $800 USD. This does not include models which were sold out prior to arrival, so likely the bill would have been higher and if I preordered (which I do), bamm! The week before there were 2 new Looksmart models, 50 Sparks and 8 TSM. Of this batch of new releases, I would have claimed fourteen of those Sparks and three of the TSM's for a cost of just under $1300 USD, not including shipping. Yikes! Again, if I preordered those models, with no control over when they arrive and I have to pay, it would have been a nasty unexpected hit to the credit card. This begs the question, when so many new models are announced, how do you know how many to preorder to avoid getting hit with the cost all at once; and if you don't, risk not getting ones you really, really want? Perhaps this would be a good general discussion topic? Admins?
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Post by Tom on Jul 12, 2022 13:08:53 GMT -5
Great idea. Perhaps you could restart this in another subforum, to prevent it from taking over your thread.
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Post by jager on Jul 12, 2022 22:12:58 GMT -5
If you think its hard keeping up as a collector, imagine how the retailers feel. They must dread the weekly phone calls from their freight forwarders saying "we have another shipment of models for you at the wharf". 60 different models, and average of 12 of each @ $50 = $36,000 per shipment.
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Post by oldirish33 on Jul 12, 2022 23:35:16 GMT -5
If you think its hard keeping up as a collector, imagine how the retailers feel. They must dread the weekly phone calls from their freight forwarders saying "we have another shipment of models for you at the wharf". 60 different models, and average of 12 of each @ $50 = $36,000 per shipment. Yes, I hadn't thought of it from that angle. That could swamp many small businesses if it happened week after week. No Ghia - Until recently while touring a local car museum, I wasn't consciously aware of these hard top Porsche coupes made by Karmann. I spent a good deal of time looking at the two examples they had on exhibit. While certainly not as good looking as the production 356 Coupe bodied by Reutter, I thought they were unique and different, cool even. So, when one came up on sale recently, it both filled a niche in my Porsche collection and combine shipping on some other models. 1961 Porsche 356B Karmann Notchback Coupe - Spark
The hard top coupe made by Karmann in 1961 and 62 is also referred to as a "Notchback" coupe. Karmann started off making these coupes in 1955, by taking Reutter (who made all production Porsche bodies at the time) bodied cabriolets and welding on the distinctive hard top. In 1962, the Notchback coupes were based on their own production design and differ slightly from the 1961 cars. The 1961 cars are designated as T5, while the 1962 cars are known as T6 coupes. This is a 1961 Notchback coupe and as with all hard top coupes, powered by a 1.6L flat-four engine pumping out 75 HP. The coupes did not prove to be extremely popular and are quite rare today. In all 1,048 coupes were built, with a small fraction of that number believed to have survived.
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Post by Tom on Jul 13, 2022 0:47:30 GMT -5
That is certainly rare and different! Like you I prefer the regular car, but this is very interesting. I imagine it has more headroom in the rear and visibility is better than the coupé.
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Post by reeft1 on Jul 13, 2022 2:29:27 GMT -5
Unusual but I like it
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Post by JSB33 on Jul 13, 2022 4:07:11 GMT -5
I also like it and I think Spark chose the best color for it.
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Post by Alfaholic on Jul 14, 2022 0:12:41 GMT -5
Not being much of a fan of the 356's looks - it's a bit too VW-ish for my tastes compared to the 911 - I quite like this version. To my eyes it makes the car a bit more grown-up.
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Post by oldirish33 on Jul 16, 2022 17:52:03 GMT -5
That is certainly rare and different! Like you I prefer the regular car, but this is very interesting. I imagine it has more headroom in the rear and visibility is better than the coupé. I would guess there is some additional headroom Tom, but I have never thought of the 356 coupe as anything more than a two-seater with occasional rear seats for small children. I like that its different and I'm not so sure I don't like the notchback coupes just a little bit more than the standard ones. I would take either in a heartbeat! Thanks Paul join the club! I also like it and I think Spark chose the best color for it. Three votes in favor, four including mine. I would have preferred a lighter color or even two tone which many seemed to be. Charcoal gray is a good one though. Not being much of a fan of the 356's looks - it's a bit too VW-ish for my tastes compared to the 911 - I quite like this version. To my eyes it makes the car a bit more grown-up. Well Martin, considering its roots, the VW styling cues are hereditary. I don't think there's any argument that the 911 was a much better looking car, as well as mechanically. However, without the success of the 356 and its variants the 911 would have remained a vision in Ferry Porsches head. Its also interesting to note that the 356 was popular enough that it remained in production for a time after the 911 was introduced. Rise of a Phoenix - Sometimes, the history of an old race car can be as interesting (and intriguing) as its history when it was being actively raced while new. Such is the case of Ford GT40 Chassis #GT40P1005. It started out life as a “factory” entry at Le Mans in 1965, had moderate success afterwards in private hands and later rose like a Phoenix from the ashes. Well sort of. Spark has recently reissued this original Bizarre issue of the car entered by Scuderia Filipinetti at Le Mans in 1965. Ford GT40 - Le Mans 1965 - SparkLe Mans was a by invitation event and in 1965, Ford only had two entry invites, which it used for its new GT40 MkII prototypes. Ford of France had a third entry, but Ford wanted six GT40s in the race to help its odds at winning. Carroll Shelby had taken over the GT40 program and he pressed John Wyer into service to recruit additional Le Mans entries. One entry was secured by Scuderia Filipinetti agreeing to enter a new GT40 under their banner. Preparation and maintenance of the car was carried out by Shelby and the car had Shelby driver Ronnie Bucknum teamed with Filipinetti driver Herbert Muller. Unfortunately, their race lasted less than three hours as the head gaskets on their new 5.3L engine blew. A result of Ford politics and their unwillingness to listen that the head bolts they were using were defective. Most of the Ford cars retired with this problem. After Le Mans, Chassis #1005 was sold to Terry Drury who campaigned it in the UK with moderate success before passing it along to others that also raced it and it eventually was used as a road car in the UK for a few years. It was then sold to American Indy car racer Swede Savage (a tragic story in itself). Savage’s father George had a small car collection and it was at the family business in Ohio in 1974 that the car caught fire while trying to be started; the resulting fire destroyed the car, building and other cars in the Savage collection. The remains of the GT40 were then bulldozed into the property behind where the building stood. Several years later in 2002, after both Swede and George had passed on, the family had an auction of their possessions and told an auction worker they could have whatever was left over. This is where the tale takes a strange turn. Apparently unbeknownst to the family, the worker had discovered the part buried remains of #1005. He collected what was left of the car (accounts of how much was left vary), but apparently did recover the all-important chassis plate. He then sold the chassis plate for $50K to a UK collector who had converted a Safir replica GT40 into a 1965 Le Mans Filipinetti clone. The Savage family got wind of the sale and claimed the GT40 was not part of the auction and the finder had no rights to it. They sued and a court agreed. The UK buyer who had already been campaigning the GT40 as Chassis #1005 in turn had to fork over another $500K in 2011 to the Savage family to keep the chassis plate. Such was the appreciation of the value of GT40s, or parts thereof, since its charred remains were interred in the Ohio dirt almost forty years earlier. The Scuderia Filipinetti GT40's at Le Mans 1965-67: Ch. #1005, 1965; Ch. #1042, 1967 & Ch. #1040, 1966
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Post by jager on Jul 16, 2022 20:23:53 GMT -5
One that we share Jerry, albeit with mine being the earlier Bizarre version, so you know it get's my tick of approval.
I've no issue with Spark re-releasing this, but I would have preferred they produced more of the many car's they've promised us before they start re-releasing older models. I guess its just too easy when you already have the molds sitting on your shelves.
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Post by Alfaholic on Jul 17, 2022 1:15:05 GMT -5
My dream job would be to be a car historian so I love the back story to this one, the model ain't half bad either.
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Post by Tom on Jul 17, 2022 1:18:00 GMT -5
That is certainly an interesting history, love the model too.
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Post by DeadCanDanceR on Jul 17, 2022 1:54:29 GMT -5
Gorgeous models, great story!
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