oldirish33
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Post by oldirish33 on May 31, 2022 16:58:01 GMT -5
Right up my alley F1-wise as you know. Love these and the wonderful shots you've put together. Thanks Tom! I love the era when the tires were skinny and the drivers were fat. Very enjoyable viewing Jerry. Love the Ferrari dioramas. 50's F1 is a period I will admit not knowing well so reading your back stories is an education. I get so much encouragement especially to see your completed and well painted figures too. You do pretty nice work yourself Paul! Thanks and hope you will show us more of your work. My only regret is that I now have the time, its a greater struggle for me to do the small work anymore. I love these models Jerry - the hand-built nature makes them look much more lived-in than a PW or Tecnomodel! I would suggest this is much more how they looked in period, when sponsors and TV didn't have to be considered. I love the patina of the older white metal models as well as the heft and feel. One thing I like about the Historic Replicars models is that they have a fair amount of detail that goes largely unseen. When F1 was for men who risked their lives and not jewellery wearing prima donnas in safety cocoons! Great models and dios, Jerry. Thanks David! I try not to discount the drivers of today in their athletic ability, or the mental acuteness and dexterity required to operate complicated machinery at today's speeds. Certainly safer (which is a good thing) but not without real and ever present danger. Like with all professional sports the money they make is insane and I agree, they probably complain and whine more than they should, but hasn't that kind of become the way society is anymore? I read something the other day about how little F1 drivers made in the 1950's and 60's putting their lives squarely on the line every race. When you compare to the amounts made today its even more insane to me. Your two latest acquisitions have a lovely patina Jerry. I can see why you wanted them. Thanks Ian, as I have said, older models have a greater appeal to me, but then I'm an old relic myself. My patina is questionable. Great photos of your new models! Thanks Julio! Another Historic Model - When searching for the two Historic Replicars models shown previously, I found this gem as well. Not that I needed another Lola T70 model (this makes the 23rd in my collection) to compete with Jeff, but the price was more than right and its not one I already have. On research it has an interesting history and was owned and campaigned by a driver I have always like, Jo Bonnier. I found it interesting that Bonnier campaigned this car under the Scuderia Filipinetti banner frequently, as well as his own Ecurie Bonnier. Co-driving was often Filipinetti's lead driver Herbert Muller and Bonnier also drove Filipinetti's own Lola T70 (although I'm not sure it was a Mk3B) from time to time. In many ways, that era seems like simpler times. Lola T70 Mk3B - 1969 Nurbrugring 1000Km, DNF - Historic Replicars One of 16 B Spec T70s, Jo Bonniers Ecurie Bonnier purchased this Lola T70 Mk3B (Ch# SL76/143) in 1969 to replace the T70 they had been campaigning the past two seasons. Bonnier partnered with Scuderia Filipinetti in World Sportscar Championship races, co-driving with Herbert Muller and the pair drove in those races under the Filipinetti banner. At the Nurburgring 1000 Km, the pair qualified 9th overall and 1st in class, but exited on Lap 23 of the 44 lap race with drive shaft failure. The pair took a class win at Spa and Bonnier a win at Paris and several 2nds in the British Sportscar Championship. Raced through 1970, with the 5.0L Group 4 ending, the car was sold, and it was converted to a spider for a couple of the Interesrie races before ending up in a Welsh barn for 40 years. It is now restored.
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Post by DeadCanDanceR on May 31, 2022 22:54:06 GMT -5
Fabulous!
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Post by Tom on May 31, 2022 23:43:03 GMT -5
That looks great! Love it that you've made a support vehicle already.
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Post by JSB33 on Jun 1, 2022 7:19:40 GMT -5
No excuse needed to buy this one, it is a fab subject and when the price is right, jump on it.
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Post by oldirish33 on Jun 2, 2022 10:34:54 GMT -5
Fabulous! Thanks Julio! Perhaps not the best effort from Historic Replicars, but a nicely proportioned and finished model all the same. That looks great! Love it that you've made a support vehicle already. Thanks Tom! Actually, the support vehicle was a last second decision and the logo is added to the image for effect. Bonnier had a tilt bed transporter that is on a long wish list of projects to do. Its my hope that some maker will take the lead of the popular trucks like this in 1/64 and 1/18 and do the same for 1/43. I think Spark has had a long proposed plan to build one that has been years in the making. No excuse needed to buy this one, it is a fab subject and when the price is right, jump on it. I figured you would like it Jeff and it was less than $40 with shipping. I already have the earlier T70 Mk2 by Spark that Bonnier raced. I wish they would have run this one at Le Mans as well but Bonnier drove the Filipinetti owned Mk3B (#SL76/151) there in 1969 and by 1970 Filipinetti had moved on to the Ferrari 512 (again with Bonnier driving). I haven't read why Bonnier entered his car under the Filipinetti entry in so many races, but assume it may have had something to do with Filipinetti having guaranteed entries and probably sharing all or some of the costs. I also think that Bonnier being a regular driver in Filipinetti cars was not only a paying gig for him, but developed a relationship bond as well. T70 trivia!
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Post by 105epaul on Jun 2, 2022 11:57:01 GMT -5
You get brownie points for the T70, one of my favourite sports racers. The Mk3B is just gorgeous and has a great soundtrack with the small block Chevy. I can remember seeing the Bonnier cars at Brands Hatch on several occasions. I may have the model that you have, indeed I bought two more T70's recently at my local toyfair. And other race cars, it was a good day for picking them up at good prices. Plus I do know a guy who owns a T70 Mk3B, it finished second at Brands last weekend. Oh, just remembered that I bought the new book on the T70, it covers all the races etc, it's very heavy and quite pricey at 90 pounds here but I found it with a site selling it for 65 pounds which was okay by me. The author is Gordon Jones.
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Post by Tom on Jun 2, 2022 13:30:38 GMT -5
Interesting transporter, 1970s Opel Blitz-based. Not many base vehicles for that generation, nothing suitable chassis-cab that I could find. Here's a closed van by Starline: images.app.goo.gl/yEenQTorQ2fyHE9x8
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Post by oldirish33 on Jun 2, 2022 16:47:54 GMT -5
Interesting transporter, 1970s Opel Blitz-based. Not many base vehicles for that generation, nothing suitable chassis-cab that I could find. Here's a closed van by Starline: images.app.goo.gl/yEenQTorQ2fyHE9x8I didnt need to see that! 😁 One could cut off the van body and extend the chassis, but not a project I want to take on right now. Doesn't mean I won't try to find the van though! 😄
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Post by shamrock on Jun 2, 2022 17:21:50 GMT -5
A KIT in 1/43 of The Bonnier Opel Blitz was produced in a very small numbers a few years ago , unfortunately all,are sold , I am lucky to have one
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Post by jager on Jun 3, 2022 10:27:22 GMT -5
Nice find Jerry. This looks like it was driven right on the limit.
Here's a couple more Bonnier support vehicles for you to consider:
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Post by oldirish33 on Jun 3, 2022 11:13:25 GMT -5
Nice find Jerry. This looks like it was driven right on the limit.
Here's a couple more Bonnier support vehicles for you to consider:
Thanks! I have a number of images including that one of cars going over Deers Leap (at least that's what we call a similar hill/jump at a local track) the Nurburgring. That had to be quite exciting and perhaps contributed to axle failure. I have a model of the Volvo wagon I could convert, the Chevy wagon may be more problematic.
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Post by oldirish33 on Jun 7, 2022 19:44:08 GMT -5
Ying and Yang - The two cars and drivers presented here are interesting studies in contrasts. One, Cooper and Stirling Moss were at the pinnacle of their careers. On the other hand, both Surtees and Sam Posey were both struggling to find their way. Cooper and Moss’ fortunes were unknowingly soon to drastically. Surtees and Posey were still full of hope that their fortunes would improve. Both drivers are favorites of mine and both have interesting (to me anyway) similarities. Both were good all round drivers, although Moss had more talent as well as luck in getting some of the best drives. Both were excellent authors and TV commentators, although Posey was by and far the more accomplished in both. Moss hoped for a World Championship which never came. Posey hoped for a F1 career that only lasted two races. Ying and Yang and important additions to my collection. Cooper T53 – BRDC International Trophy, Silverstone, 1961 : Winner, Stirling Moss – Spark
The Intercontinental Formula was created in 1961 as an alternative to the smaller 1.5L F1 displacement limit imposed that year. Designed to give larger displacement formula cars a series to run in, the Intercontinental Formula allowed a maximum of 3.0L. While the series only ran one season, it did attract name driving talent, even if it was primarily British makes which contested the five races in the series, all in the UK. The dominant car in the series was the Cooper T53 and Stirling Moss won three races in Rob Walkers Cooper with the other two races won by Jack Brabham. One of Moss best formula drives was the BRDC International Trophy at Silverstone in this car. While the FIA Never granted the Intercontinental status alongside F1, there were some great races as well as appearances of cars like the last Vanwall, the Fergusson, Scarab and Aston Martin formula cars which never ran in F1. Slippery track conditions brought on by heavy rain made the track treacherous and there were multiple spins and off-track excursions. Moss was first away to be passed by Brabham on the first lap. Both running masterful races, Moss got by Brabham on the 23rd of 80 laps and continued to pull away. By the time the rain had ended near race finish, Moss had lapped the entire field handily winning the race against some of racings best (Brabham, McLaren, Surtees, Ireland, Gurney, Bandini, Hill, Brooks and Flockhart)! Surtees TS9B – US Grand Prix, Watkins Glen, 1972 – Sam Posey`- Spark
The United States Grand Prix at Watkins Glen was the final race on the F1 calendar in 1972. Even though he had lost the World Drivers Championship to Emerson Fittipaldi, Jackie Stewart dominated the last two races of the season in his Tyrrell. The race at Watkins Glen always offered up the largest amount of prize money of any F1 race and in 1972 that was $275K, with almost ever entrant getting good appearance money. As a result, the race had the most entrants with 31. Included among those was Sam Posey in a one-off drive in a Surtees like he did in 1971, this year in the TS9B. In 1971 he didn’t finish, in 1972 after qualifying 23rd he finished 12th, two laps down. As a fairly new F1 team Surtees had a promising third F1 season in 1972, with one podium and each of the three team drivers scoring points so that Surtees finished 5th in the Constructors Championship. Sam Posey was racing a Surtees chassis in the American F5000 series and doing well. His team owners had sponsored him in his first Indy 500 ride and made a deal with Surtees to “buy” the car for the USGP, bringing their F5000 and Indy sponsor with them and Surtees I’m sure appreciated the extra cash. Posey did well for the first race he ever sat in the car. Enough so that Surtees offered him a job for the next F1 & F2 seasons. An offer he wisely declined. He pursued other options. Post Script - Its hard to imagine in this day and age that even the back markers in today’s F1 grid would sell a one off ride to someone basically off the street, leaving their contract driver sitting on the pit wall. Yet this is what Surtees did in 1972, giving Tim Schenken’s ride to Posey. True, Posey and his car owners (one was Frank Carrillo of connecting rod fame) were good Surtees customers for their F5000 chassis, but Surtees obviously needed the cash they brought to the table to continue funding his F1 efforts. Schenken ultimately got to drive Surtees new F1 car in development for 1973 at Watkins Glen that weekend, but unbeknownst to him, his career at Surtees and in F1 was over (the likeable Australian did continue to do well in sports cars and co-founded Tiga Race Cars.)
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Post by Alfaholic on Jun 7, 2022 23:11:29 GMT -5
Two wonderful additions Jerry and both would be welcome here.
I know it's sacrilege around here, but I never caught the Moss adoration bug. I know he was very talented and raced in a different time, but if he had gone to the right teams he would have won at least one world title, as other drivers of his and other generations did - I give you Juan Manuel Fangio your honour. Still, the Cooper is a gem and a nice part of the Moss story.
This generation of F1 Surtees always brings back fond memories of my Matchbox 75 "Formula 5000" racer as it seems to be based on this car - I know that Matchbox had a relationship with Surtees in the '70s so that may have something to do with it.
Sam Posey is one of those names that while being familiar, I don't know much about him. Although, a check of my database shows I have models of 4 of his cars! His name first came to my attention when he appeared at the Bathurst 1000 race in 1980, sharing a Chevrolet Camaro Z28 with local, Ron Dickson. They were any early retirement so I'm not sure if Posey actually got to race.
Your collection is always interesting Jerry, and these two only add to the magic.
Oh, and Tim Schenken went on to a long career in motorsport administration when he returned to Australia when his racing career was over. He only just retired as the V8 Supercars Race Director at the end of the 2021 season - he is 78 after all!
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Post by Tom on Jun 7, 2022 23:47:42 GMT -5
Great car and model, great back story!
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Post by JSB33 on Jun 8, 2022 3:34:50 GMT -5
Not a very big F1 person but I sure like both of these.
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