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Post by DeadCanDanceR on Sept 30, 2023 1:03:33 GMT -5
A very nice model that we share, BB!  This car was designed to compete against the Eldorado and the Continental Mark VI as a personal luxury coupé. It’s often said that Chrysler copied Cadillac when they used the bustle back in the Imperial and that’s not true; there are several sources that show both companies working at the very same time on similar concepts, but Cadillac introduced their Seville a year before the Imperial and that has contributed to that misunderstanding. I’ve always thought that the real influece behind both of those designs was the Daimler DS420 Limousine. |
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Post by 105epaul on Sept 30, 2023 6:05:54 GMT -5
An excellent model of what must be a rare sight in the US let alone elsewhere in the world. If I see this model at a good price I might have to add it to my collection.
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Post by oldirish33 on Sept 30, 2023 8:05:45 GMT -5
Complete with Florida plates! Bet there are a few still running around down there. 😁
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Post by JSB33 on Sept 30, 2023 9:12:56 GMT -5
Always thought this car was underated, it had a unique look that was somewhat attractive. I liked it better thn the cars it was competing against.
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Post by WallOfCars on Sept 30, 2023 10:07:46 GMT -5
A very nice model that we share, BB! This car was designed to compete against the Eldorado and the Continental Mark VI as a personal luxury coupé. It’s often said that Chrysler copied Cadillac when they used the bustle back in the Imperial and that’s not true; there are several sources that show both companies working at the very same time on similar concepts, but Cadillac introduced their Seville a year before the Imperial and that has contributed to that misunderstanding. I’ve always thought that the real influece behind both of those designs was the Daimler DS420 Limousine. Spot on Julio...agree 100% on the Daimler comment. The story goes that Bill Mitchell would visit the UK and be smitten the coachbuilt Rolls-Royces that we spotted at one of the finer hotels in London. From there he shared this fascination with GM designer Wayne Kady, who actually received credit for the 2nd gen Seville. There's a fun video on youtube of Wayne Kady discussing his design of the Seville...filmed from his driveway, ahahah!
I too have always believed it was far more likely that Mitchell was seeing a multitude of DS420 limos at the ritzy hotels as these were far more common cars than a 30 year old coachbuilt Rolls. By the way, I have a strong love for the DS420, I much prefer it to many Rolls-Royces, or at least post-1965 models.
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Post by bertone on Sept 30, 2023 15:50:34 GMT -5
Great adds. Indra is right up my street and though the Imperial isn't so much, its baroque styling really appeals.
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Post by DeadCanDanceR on Sept 30, 2023 17:45:15 GMT -5
A very nice model that we share, BB! This car was designed to compete against the Eldorado and the Continental Mark VI as a personal luxury coupé. It’s often said that Chrysler copied Cadillac when they used the bustle back in the Imperial and that’s not true; there are several sources that show both companies working at the very same time on similar concepts, but Cadillac introduced their Seville a year before the Imperial and that has contributed to that misunderstanding. I’ve always thought that the real influece behind both of those designs was the Daimler DS420 Limousine. Spot on Julio...agree 100% on the Daimler comment. The story goes that Bill Mitchell would visit the UK and be smitten the coachbuilt Rolls-Royces that we spotted at one of the finer hotels in London. From there he shared this fascination with GM designer Wayne Kady, who actually received credit for the 2nd gen Seville. There's a fun video on youtube of Wayne Kady discussing his design of the Seville...filmed from his driveway, ahahah!
I too have always believed it was far more likely that Mitchell was seeing a multitude of DS420 limos at the ritzy hotels as these were far more common cars than a 30 year old coachbuilt Rolls. By the way, I have a strong love for the DS420, I much prefer it to many Rolls-Royces, or at least post-1965 models.
Great video! I’ve always loved those Sevilles! The story of Bill Mitchell and the Rolls-Royce influence concerns the origin of the ideas for the beautifully crisp 1963 Buick Riviera, one of his design masterpieces and a very influential American car. I wouldn’t doubt that that story influenced the Seville and maybe even the Imperial (being sort of a personal luxury car)! |
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Post by WallOfCars on Sept 30, 2023 18:26:47 GMT -5
Spot on Julio...agree 100% on the Daimler comment. The story goes that Bill Mitchell would visit the UK and be smitten the coachbuilt Rolls-Royces that we spotted at one of the finer hotels in London. From there he shared this fascination with GM designer Wayne Kady, who actually received credit for the 2nd gen Seville. There's a fun video on youtube of Wayne Kady discussing his design of the Seville...filmed from his driveway, ahahah!
I too have always believed it was far more likely that Mitchell was seeing a multitude of DS420 limos at the ritzy hotels as these were far more common cars than a 30 year old coachbuilt Rolls. By the way, I have a strong love for the DS420, I much prefer it to many Rolls-Royces, or at least post-1965 models.
Great video! I’ve always loved those Sevilles! The story of Bill Mitchell and the Rolls-Royce influence concerns the origin of the ideas for the beautifully crisp 1963 Buick Riviera, one of his design masterpieces and a very influential American car. I wouldn’t doubt that that story influenced the Seville and maybe even the Imperial (being sort of a personal luxury car)! Thanks for those details Julio! I really didn't know of the cross-reference with the original Riviera. My paternal Grandfather, with whom I really wasn't close, owned about 5 different Rivieras from 1964 to the mid 1970s. Even though the occasion was rare, I do remember riding in a few and always awe-struck when he entered the driveway. Particularly with his '71 or '72. My Mom always referred to them as 'cowboy cars'...which I still get a chuckle from today 
Regarding the 2nd gen Seville, I too am a big fan of it...along with the 84-87 Lincoln Continental which I personally feel has aged a little better. Parents nearly bought one of these Sevilles on several occasions. Ended up buying an '84 Eldorado and then a downsized '86 Seville which was NOT a smart move in hindsight.
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Post by DeadCanDanceR on Oct 1, 2023 0:25:05 GMT -5
Great video! I’ve always loved those Sevilles! The story of Bill Mitchell and the Rolls-Royce influence concerns the origin of the ideas for the beautifully crisp 1963 Buick Riviera, one of his design masterpieces and a very influential American car. I wouldn’t doubt that that story influenced the Seville and maybe even the Imperial (being sort of a personal luxury car)! Thanks for those details Julio! I really didn't know of the cross-reference with the original Riviera. My paternal Grandfather, with whom I really wasn't close, owned about 5 different Rivieras from 1964 to the mid 1970s. Even though the occasion was rare, I do remember riding in a few and always awe-struck when he entered the driveway. Particularly with his '71 or '72. My Mom always referred to them as 'cowboy cars'...which I still get a chuckle from today
Regarding the 2nd gen Seville, I too am a big fan of it...along with the 84-87 Lincoln Continental which I personally feel has aged a little better. Parents nearly bought one of these Sevilles on several occasions. Ended up buying an '84 Eldorado and then a downsized '86 Seville which was NOT a smart move in hindsight.
Your paternal grandfather had good taste in cars, BB! That period of Rivieras is absolutely fabulous! And, your parents 1984 Eldorado was another of the great looking car of the 80s; I’m sure you have the Neo model of that generation of Eldorado! |
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Post by Alfaholic on Oct 1, 2023 1:47:40 GMT -5
Interesting discussion on the design. I must admit when I first saw it I assumed it was going to be a FoMoCo product.
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Post by WallOfCars on Oct 13, 2023 23:19:41 GMT -5
Don't remember ever seeing one of these here, not even as a personal import. It can't be anything but a 1980s US car. I suspect these are now very rare even in the US. Fantastic model Brooks, Neo at its best! Yes, rare it is Tom! Even new, it was a scarce sight. I'd imagine in the single digits across all of Europe? A very nice model that we share, BB! This car was designed to compete against the Eldorado and the Continental Mark VI as a personal luxury coupé. It’s often said that Chrysler copied Cadillac when they used the bustle back in the Imperial and that’s not true; there are several sources that show both companies working at the very same time on similar concepts, but Cadillac introduced their Seville a year before the Imperial and that has contributed to that misunderstanding. I’ve always thought that the real influece behind both of those designs was the Daimler DS420 Limousine. It's lovely isn't Julio? Although blue looks great (Frank Sinatra edition perhaps), I wish there were some other choices? Surely never going to happen as this one came and went about 12 years ago! An excellent model of what must be a rare sight in the US let alone elsewhere in the world. If I see this model at a good price I might have to add it to my collection. Paul, you would very much enjoy it! I like old Mopars, so it was a must have. Complete with Florida plates! Bet there are a few still running around down there. 😁 Good eye Jerry! Not many, at least in NE Florida. One funny story - back in 2003 I spotted a broken down Imperial (like this one) AND a really ratty (literally) Stutz Blackhawk in yard/used car lot about 4 miles from my old house. I took pics of the Stutz as I could not believe it landed in my neck of woods and I was a BIG, big fan of those at the time. Always thought this car was underated, it had a unique look that was somewhat attractive. I liked it better thn the cars it was competing against. It was attractive Jeff, and a valiant effort considering what Chrysler Co had to work with at the time. Great adds. Indra is right up my street and though the Imperial isn't so much, its baroque styling really appeals. I like both, but I favor the Indra as you do! Interesting discussion on the design. I must admit when I first saw it I assumed it was going to be a FoMoCo product. From our vantage point, I can see that Martin. It is a little bit Lincoln-esque and very much of the era. It had a digital dash straight out of a smoky arcade circa 1981!
Guess we'll head towards the track this week? In fact, we get a twofer and it isn't even Tuesday...that's old radio jargon from when I was a kid. These are pretty special as they were both gifts from our mentor in Mentor, Mr. Jeff! Each was a very nice surprise back at Christmas 2012. He being the GT40 guru, he's going to know alot more than me! All I can say, like a luddite is that I really love looking at them! Was also lucky enough to actually see several real ex-racer GT40s back in '13 and hear the engines roar, unforgettable experience! These also have a sentimental value as they were made by Bang which (along with Best and Art Model) are what got me back into scale cars, particularly 1:43 back in 2000 after a nearly 20 year respite.
1968 Ford GT40 #64 Mallory Park by Bang
AND 1968 Ford GT40 from the 24 Hours of LeMans #9 driven by Bianchi/Rodriguez
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Post by DeadCanDanceR on Oct 14, 2023 1:23:28 GMT -5
Nice pair, BB! I also have a couple of Bang GT40s and I love them! |
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Post by Tom on Oct 14, 2023 1:47:08 GMT -5
Those are great, Brooks! Very nice gifts from Jeff! I have a PW version of #9.
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Post by JSB33 on Oct 15, 2023 9:17:47 GMT -5
Every collection needs a GT40 or 2
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Post by jager on Oct 15, 2023 19:15:13 GMT -5
I had many Bang GT40’s in my collection for many years until the Sparks came along. Loved the hinged engine cover and the detailed engine underneath.
The Mallory Park car must be quite rare. I don’t think anyone else has modelled that car (wonder if it was the same chassis that raced as a red car at Le Mans in 1966?).
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