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Post by alex on Apr 30, 2022 17:14:25 GMT -5
I prefer the white, but the gold is more evocative of the era so I would keep that one
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Post by Alfaholic on Apr 30, 2022 19:07:50 GMT -5
If looks alone determined success then the 40 should have streeted the race at Riverside.
I’d be keeping both.
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Post by JSB33 on May 1, 2022 7:01:18 GMT -5
I favor #1 but lets be honest, they all look fantastic.
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Post by oldirish33 on May 4, 2022 11:11:03 GMT -5
Superb - am waiting for mine to arrive from Italy I think you will find it worth the wait Paul! If they were my models, I'd keep both the Spark and the Technomodel. They're sufficiently different to tell different chapters of the -interesting, as always with Lotus- story. I love going over your pictures and looking at the details, they're fantastic cars. Thanks Tom! Yes, I am very tempted to keep both, but I have made the decision that I don't need multiple versions of the same car anymore. If I am ever going to downsize my collection, I have to start exercising some discipline. That said, I have the AJ Foyt Lotus 40 coming, but it is going to be in a AJ tribute diorama, so I justify it that way. Make you a heck of a deal on the Spark! I prefer the white, but the gold is more evocative of the era so I would keep that one I assume you are referring to the Jaguars. I've decided to keep the gold. Since the white is still wrapped factory fresh, it will be the one I sell off. If looks alone determined success then the 40 should have streeted the race at Riverside. I’d be keeping both. I agree with you Martin. I remember as a 12 year old in 1965 thinking how cool that car looked. Still do! As I told Tom, only so much room at the inn. I favor #1 but lets be honest, they all look fantastic. Ditto from me Jeff!
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Post by JSB33 on May 5, 2022 2:44:06 GMT -5
I have never warmed up to the wedge, especially concept wedges. But I fully see why it is on your shelf and it is a nice page of history.
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Post by oldirish33 on May 6, 2022 16:21:20 GMT -5
Italian Job – It seems hard to imagine that in the F1 days before big sponsorship and multi-million-dollar driver contracts, that privateers like Rob Walker could field a competitive race team capable of beating the best factory teams and drivers. It would almost be like Haas today regularly winning races and showing up on the podium. It was also a time when drivers put loyalty to their team before their own egos. The 1961 Italian Grand Prix, marred as it was with the tragic death of Von Trips, was an example of both. Lotus 18/21 V8 - 1961 Italian GP (Practice) - SparkThe Lotus 18/21 was a hybrid of the older 18 and Lotus new 21. The 21 which was a mid-engine car, a first for Lotus, was only available in 1961 to the factory team. Select customers such as Rob Walker were offered a hybrid version of the 21, which used the 18 chassis with 21s modified body, rear suspension, and gearbox. Walker used the new Coventry Climax 1.5L V8 FPF engine, which gave the car slightly more power than the 1.5L four-cylinder at higher revs and with more torque. The cars suffered though with less torsional rigidity than the 18. Its debut was at the Italian GP at Monza in 1961, the 7th of 8 rounds in the F1 Championship for Drivers and Manufacturers. Stirling Moss who drove for Walker in 1961, was mathematically in contention for the Drivers Championship. In practice, the new V8 was overheating badly and down on power. The decision was made to run the team’s old Lotus 18, which was no match for the faster Ferraris and would have eliminated Moss chance at the Championship. Innes Ireland graciously offered Moss his factory 21 to drive. He did so because Lotus was in contention for the Manufacturers Championship and he knew Moss was the best chance they had to win, as well as Moss shot at the Drivers Championship. Unfortunately, Moss retired due to a failed wheel bearing, ending up 3rd in the Drivers Championship and Lotus 2nd behind Ferrari in the Manufacturers Championship. Its unthinkable today that a driver would offer to give up their factory ride to a competitor and then drive that competitors car knowing it was slower, just to give the other driver a chance to win. Its also unthinkable that there would be agreement between the team principals to the swap. I doubt it would even happen within the same team. Stories like these are why I enjoy this era of F1 and that the modern era holds less interest. A simpler time perhaps, perhaps a time when it was more about sport and sportsmanship than money.
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Post by Tom on May 6, 2022 16:24:49 GMT -5
Very different times, very different characters. Also much more attractive cars.
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Post by Alfaholic on May 7, 2022 1:39:29 GMT -5
I'm intrigued as to why this one Jerry - is it the Moss association or the first time an 18/21 ran? Hang on, os it the the Rob Walker thing.
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Post by MG Rocks On on May 7, 2022 2:33:00 GMT -5
The 1967 Pirana is my fave. classic design era of the late 60s.
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Post by JSB33 on May 7, 2022 7:09:45 GMT -5
Excellent and like David said, classic.
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Post by oldirish33 on May 10, 2022 11:17:49 GMT -5
Very different times, very different characters. Also much more attractive cars. I would have to agree with you on all points Tom, but think we all probably have different ideas as to when precisely the "times" were. My favorite era in F1 is 1949-1972. I'm intrigued as to why this one Jerry - is it the Moss association or the first time an 18/21 ran? Hang on, os it the the Rob Walker thing. It was an intriguing car that definitely hits the Moss and Walker buttons for me. While the car didn't run with success in Championship races, there was a bit of success in non-Championship races. Poignantly, it was the car Moss was driving when he had his Easter Monday crash in 1962, effectively ending his active racing career. For those reasons I felt it belonged in my Lotus F1 collection. The 1967 Pirana is my fave. classic design era of the late 60s. Excellent and like David said, classic. I agree that the Pirana was the best of the Bertone concepts over Jaguar components. It does exemplify 60's design before things became more angular and it also retains some Jaguar styling in its design.
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Post by Tom on May 10, 2022 11:31:29 GMT -5
That is nice indeed.
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Post by DeadCanDanceR on May 11, 2022 2:12:19 GMT -5
Fabulous model of a great concept car!
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Post by GBOAC002 on May 11, 2022 3:50:30 GMT -5
I only ever remember seeing this concept in a silver paint finish at the Earls Court London Motor Show.
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Post by bertone on May 11, 2022 5:47:55 GMT -5
The Pirana has pretty much no Jaguar styling cues apart from perhaps the wheels. The Ascot has absolutely no external Jag styling cues. It's a cool car though - I went for the white just because that's the colour I most associate with it but the gold looks really nice too. I must admit that if I had accidentally acquired the 2 versions I think I would hang on to both of them.
Tecno Lotus looks really nice too.
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