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Post by Stewart on Apr 15, 2022 13:42:02 GMT -5
Ludlow Green update Following is a post from a Norton motorcycle forum “Thanks! that's it ! Ford Ludlow Green. Google that and the first picture you get is a Francis Beart Norton ! (on my Google anyway, dunno if that's universal, should be...) Thanks again 79x100 and all others.” So Moss’s car most likely would have been in that colour. Andrew at Mimodels confirms that. The ensemble I’ve shown shows a Francis Beart Norton, a V8 Pilot restoration in Ludlow Green, my car now awaiting the final rub down and polish, and the original distressed TW model. I think mine is just a little bit dark but better than the original. All good fun. I’m also repositioning the mirror and awaiting delivery of some 3M Finesse for the final polishing. See if it’s all it’s cracked up to be.
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Post by Stewart on Apr 15, 2022 13:47:49 GMT -5
That’s the essence of my Stirling Moss collection brought over. Probably needs a bit of tidying up but I’m hoping to carry on from here. Cheers All
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Post by oldirish33 on Apr 15, 2022 16:08:19 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that if not a modern addition, the tonneau would have been fitted on the MB 300 SLR to keep the cockpit dry when it was not being driven and only half to allow a mechanic to warm the car up before it was run. Looks like in the modern photo where only one person was probably driving it that the passenger side was left on. I'll have a look through my books and see if there are any photos in period.
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Post by Stewart on Apr 18, 2022 13:41:46 GMT -5
That makes sense Jerry
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Post by Stewart on Apr 18, 2022 14:52:53 GMT -5
A bit of a puzzler here. I’m trying to reconcile the collection with a view to upgrading and putting it on my website and find I have this Brumm model in the cabinet. Along with it’s box. R199 1958 Belgian? GP. Stiling? Moss! However… if you search there are two other R199 models! Both purport to be Moss at the 1958 Italian GP as below. The numbers at the front are on different sides! At Monza the numbers are normally on the left hand side to suit the timekeepers. The Moss Vanwall at the 1958 Belgian GP carried the#2 What’s going on here I wonder? Are Brumm taking the proverbial? Twice!
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Post by oldirish33 on Apr 18, 2022 15:31:40 GMT -5
Do you remember where/from whom you bought it? Until I developed a numbering system, I've been known to mix boxes on similar cars. Wonder if that's what happened? On the Mercedes 300 SLR tonneau question. I have looked at several books I have in my library trying to get a definitive answer. In short I have none. For races with one driver, the tonneau appears to be rigid, except at Sweden GP where it looks like on Fangio's car it may have been fabric. I say may because the photo resolution is not great and the photo was taken with the car at speed. There looks like in some photos there could be snaps, but I cant zoom in close enough to tell and have a clear image. In a period photo of the Moss/Jenkinson car there is what appears to be snaps behind the driver, or at least where they would go. A more recent photo of Moss in the car clearly shows the snaps behind the driver. There is one image of a car on a transporter with one, but its in the shadows and difficult to tell exactly. Many photos show without and in some paddock shots, a tarp over the cockpit. All this said, I would now say with no expertise on the subject, that they may have and it was very rarely if ever used (inconvenience?) and is likely a more modern accessory. How's that for waffling?
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Post by Stewart on Apr 19, 2022 4:35:36 GMT -5
Do you remember where/from whom you bought it? Until I developed a numbering system, I've been known to mix boxes on similar cars. Wonder if that's what happened? The screen shot below of my religiously kept spreadsheet (row 121) shows it was purchased in February 2002 from St. Martins model shop (now shut down I believe) for £11.95 which ties in with the photo of the box that I posted. The spreadsheet lists it as “removed from the collection” but it was in fact still in the cabinet awaiting being listed on eBay. My cynical view is that Brumm got lumbered with a load of models with the #26 on the wrong side and got overly “creative” in getting rid of them.
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Post by jager on Apr 19, 2022 9:07:30 GMT -5
Like Jerry, my first reaction was the boxes must have got mixed up. However, an identical model fitting this description sold in February, so your's isn't the only one: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313581462012
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Post by Stewart on Apr 19, 2022 9:42:30 GMT -5
Like Jerry, my first reaction was the boxes must have got mixed up. However, an identical model fitting this description sold in February, so your's isn't the only one: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313581462012Well spotted Ian although in fact it is not identical since mine has the #26 on the right hand side. So in fact there are 4 iterations of this car all with the same Brumm model number R199 and the same EAN and barcode - 8020677002710 as the screenshot shot below shows! The Italian GP Vanwall driven by Moss had the front number on the left hand side as below. The Belgian Moss Vanwall was #2. So can I sue Brumm and/or St. Martins models under the Trade Descriptions Act!!??
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Post by Stewart on Apr 22, 2022 12:58:52 GMT -5
Stirling Moss copy.xlsx (21.85 KB) A bit of an experiment but this link will bring up a spreadsheet of the collection. It’s best to select Download rather than view to see the best picture.
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Post by oldirish33 on Apr 22, 2022 13:13:30 GMT -5
That's a pretty extensive collection! I wasn't sure what the highlighted ones represented.
The package arrived today in great shape. Thanks again!
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Post by Stewart on Apr 22, 2022 13:52:49 GMT -5
That's a pretty extensive collection! I wasn't sure what the highlighted ones represented. The package arrived today in great shape. Thanks again! Cheers Jerry. The highlights are there to separate the different years for clarity. Good on the package, hope you can use the trestles, pass them around out there if that works. I’ll look forward to the BT24 diorama.
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Post by Stewart on Apr 29, 2022 7:32:44 GMT -5
Looking to upgrade as usual and thinking of Matrix 300 SLRs I checked out what I already have and found this one in my National Heroes collection. MINICHAMPS, and a good one. Moved it into the Moss collection to replace the Plumbies sellfbuilt model. Still tempted to get the Matrix Dundrod car! Well I got the Matrix Dundrod car and it’s a cracker
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Post by Stewart on Apr 29, 2022 8:51:59 GMT -5
After I got the Matrix Dundrod winner I thought to check how many times Stirling Moss had won the RAC Tourist Trophy race, see below… He won it an amazing seven times out of the nine times he entered. I checked my collection and picked out these three winners from 1950, 51 and 55. Then I realised that with only a minimum of poetic license I had the other winning cars as well as the one in which he practised for the 1962 event. The two works DBR1s shown could well be the same cars that he used in 58 and 59. In fact he started the 59 race with car #1 and switched to the #2 car after it caught fire in the pits. The two (different) Ferrari SWBs are actually the same cars that he won in, albeit numbered as they appeared in different races. The 1962 #51 GTO is the car he would have raced but for his fateful accident that day.
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Post by oldirish33 on Apr 29, 2022 9:12:30 GMT -5
Good add with the Mercedes. Remind me again who made the 1950 winning XK120 in your collection? I have this old Western model I converted, but would like to find something more authentic.
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