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Post by Tom on Nov 7, 2022 12:10:06 GMT -5
I suspect that making the model look like the real car would've been so much work (as you're experiencing now) that the model wouldn't yield any profit, so they used whatever they had that was 'close enough'.
Excellent job again, I keep enjoying the clever solutions you've got for recurring construction problems.
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Post by Jean B. on Nov 20, 2022 11:56:19 GMT -5
I suspect that making the model look like the real car would've been so much work (as you're experiencing now) that the model wouldn't yield any profit, so they used whatever they had that was 'close enough'. Excellent job again, I keep enjoying the clever solutions you've got for recurring construction problems. I guess you're right, and I really admire the master-makers of this and other models very much! No matter how many models I've built by now, I wouldn't be able to create a complete model by my own, and I'm pretty sure that this kind of art has almost extincted. Nowadays models are made with CAD and 3D photography and 3D printing, so that the models are much more accurate and authentic, but - in my opinion - lack the handcrafted charms of back then. What's happened the last weeks?  At this point in building there are only few p/e parts necessary, here's the latest blister I've made.  Trying to give the rear licence plate a bigger & better shape.  Scribing in the contures for the hood. And - much more difficult - trying to make a relieved section towards the dashboard.  After hours of honing and sanding, the models now need a first coating with primer - not because I'm already starting the final paint-job, but only to have a "clean" and soft ground for checking the surface quality.  This first layer reveals all the spots and issues - mercyless   All this can't be seen in the rough condition.  Filling and sanding once again...  Priming again...  ...and another sanding and third priming reveals this condition.  Not that bad - just another ten times sanding & priming and we can be satisfied  |
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Post by oldirish33 on Nov 20, 2022 15:03:19 GMT -5
Beautiful, masterful work Jean! I agree there are very few who can build a model from scratch. It will be interesting to see how much, if any of that might change as 3D resin printing continues to become more mainstream. Sadly however, making masters and body panels, chassis, etc. out of brass is likely a dying art.
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Post by Tom on Nov 20, 2022 15:29:04 GMT -5
I don't have your talent so I'm looking forward to 3D scanning a model, making adjustments and 3D printing the result in order to create some unique models. I agree that it lacks any soul, it's just convenient.
Meanwhile, your results start looking better and better. Even now it's clear that these will be masterpieces, like everything you've made so far.
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Post by reeft1 on Nov 22, 2022 3:57:33 GMT -5
That's very nicely detailed
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Post by Jean B. on Dec 4, 2022 12:19:20 GMT -5
Beautiful, masterful work Jean! I agree there are very few who can build a model from scratch. It will be interesting to see how much, if any of that might change as 3D resin printing continues to become more mainstream. Sadly however, making masters and body panels, chassis, etc. out of brass is likely a dying art. Yes, that's a pity, indeed! But, well, looking around, so very many tradtional arts & crafts are dying... I guess that's a kind of "turning point" only for the rapidity of how this goes on. So let's celebrate some kind of "old-school model-building", for my part at least in the way I'm able to do it... 
I don't have your talent so I'm looking forward to 3D scanning a model, making adjustments and 3D printing the result in order to create some unique models. I agree that it lacks any soul, it's just convenient. Meanwhile, your results start looking better and better. Even now it's clear that these will be masterpieces, like everything you've made so far. Thanks! When I started model-building, I indeed planned to make my own masters, including 3D printing. However, when I searched for courses in doing that, I learned that I was far off being able to adopt this technique - much too much "computer", if you know what I mean... My working with InkScape is the remains of this attempt, back then I thought this program would help, meanwhile it's my "best friend" for making p/e parts...
That's very nicely detailed ... and exactly that kills me at the moment! Trying to catch as most details as possible, I'm sort of desperate as those details require works far beyond being believable.
What am I doing? Well, fixing lots of things around the house, preparing for Christmas - and so there's much too few time left for model-building...  On top, it's time for "one step forward, two steps back", requiring doing complicate works again and again. Will there be any light at the end of the tunnel?
Meanwhile, after a third turn of priming, surfaces look satisfying, and so the more attractive works of "building up" are coming closer.
For attaching the relieves, like the bonnet vents, the surface must be perfect, as I cannot grind & sand them over after having glued on the relieves.
Here we go, but I can already say, that's only the first attempt...
First parts attached.
Trying to make the impossible possible: Making the beltline, combing the two side panels with the rear bar behind the seats.
This part must be bent in different angles and directions AND has to continue the swing of the side beltline... almost impossible, simply because I decided to keep the original relieved part behind the seats - this is going to be deleted.
And as this weren't enough, I realized that I was rather clumsy when designing the beltline for the second roadster, the end of the swing goes much too "deep" and I cannot combine it with the rear beltline I've designed...
Back to the start: stripping off the beltline, again priming and sanding the body, deleting the relief behind the seats, and finally designing a new rear beltline, this time with a completely different method. I now take printing foil, because it is stiff in a similar way as sheet metal, and so I can simulate how the complete part has "to go around".
After having done this, I take the sketched lines and scan them, the scans are then modified into printable graphics. Really hard work, as I need several different radii combined to one sleek bow.
The difference to the first attempt (pink) is evident: the new part (green) has much wider radii.
Printing the design on foil, it will reveal if I've done a good job!
 Now I can simulate how the final p/e would fit to the horizontal beltline. I indeed hope that this time I will succeed! Etching film is prepared, tomorrow I will make the parts, and I hope I will find some time to proceed with the works before Santa is coming...
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Post by alex on Dec 4, 2022 13:34:45 GMT -5
Excellent solution JB!
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Post by Tom on Dec 4, 2022 13:40:06 GMT -5
I think what you're doing is much more complicated than the 3D printing method. You have to invent your own methods and refine them over time whereas the 3D printing stuff is well-documented and there's a lot of online support available. Your methods are the result of your own experience and you've mastered them well given the fantastic results.
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Post by reeft1 on Dec 5, 2022 14:00:52 GMT -5
Extremely creative - you must have a brain the size of a planet to come up with ideas such as that (and the patience of a saint).
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Post by countach53 on Dec 5, 2022 16:01:31 GMT -5
Extremely creative - you must have a brain the size of a planet to come up with ideas such as that (and the patience of a saint). I agree |
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Post by Jean B. on Dec 12, 2022 12:45:58 GMT -5
To be honest: I already had this idea long ago, but as for the input this method requires, I tried to make it the easy way - and failed! So it's as our grandparents said: Make it right from the beginning!
I think what you're doing is much more complicated than the 3D printing method. You have to invent your own methods and refine them over time whereas the 3D printing stuff is well-documented and there's a lot of online support available. Your methods are the result of your own experience and you've mastered them well given the fantastic results. Thank you! You know, I'm doing what I have to do - and what I'm able to do Some things would've become completely different if I would have started ten or twenty years earlier, I guess. However, model-building is still the most thrilling and satisfying hobby I ever had, indeed 
Extremely creative - you must have a brain the size of a planet to come up with ideas such as that (and the patience of a saint). I agree Boys, you're so cute! But in fact it's the exact opposite: My brain's the size of a peanut, so there's enough space in my head to develop silly model-building techniques which are completely useless for normal life But I have to admit, it's a nice feeling going to sleep at night, knowing that you've made just a little step forward, at least...
And finally here's the third (or fourth?) attempt of making the rear beltlines.
The new side beltlines at the "second" roadster are attached.
Rear beltline bent and covered with glue.
Fits! O.k., it was a hard work to do, bending the part took some hours, but I'm sooo happy!
The same for the "first" roadster.
The difficulty was to get a sleek "swing" all over the two independent parts which both have a totally different geometry.
Some wide gaps could not be avoided, they are filled up with glue.
In fact this was one of the most difficult works for the whole project!
By the way, the louver parts are attached as well, meanwhile.
Next step is attaching the base strips for the final chrome trim. It's often overseen, but the design of this Horch Spezial Roadster is much more elaborate than it seems on the first view. All trim is placed upon relieved body parts, so all this will be smoothened and painted, and the final chrome strip is placed into the center gap.
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Post by Tom on Dec 12, 2022 14:28:43 GMT -5
Incredible job. Must've cost a lot of time to get those to meet up so neatly.
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Post by oldirish33 on Dec 12, 2022 17:13:48 GMT -5
Superb execution as usual Jean. Bravo on your efforts!
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Post by GBOAC002 on Dec 13, 2022 5:12:37 GMT -5
That attention to fine details sets you apart! Your ground up restorations are always superb.
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Post by Jean B. on Jan 8, 2023 8:49:59 GMT -5
Incredible job. Must've cost a lot of time to get those to meet up so neatly. Time, weight and most of my hair Sometimes I really wonder what I'm doing... but I simply cannot stop
Superb execution as usual Jean. Bravo on your efforts! Thank you! And the show is just beginning 
That attention to fine details sets you apart! Your ground up restorations are always superb. Thank you, nice to hearing that!
Gentlemen, I wish you a happy New Year, may your wishes - or at least some of them - come true! I've finished the festivities, christmas tree is executed, cookies have vanished anyhow, and it's time to return to the workbench. I've been already busy for some days, and here's the update:
Coming to one of the most tricky details of this build: I guess I'm unable to explain in English, but perhaps you can see, the relief around the wings and trim must get radii, and so I attach p/e circles to get a kind of template for applying putty.
When the putty hardens, the circles are removed and the relief must be smoothened.
First to be sanded, the result follows later...
These parts are always too narrow. Use simple adhesive tape and apply some putty from the reverse side.
...just like that.
Then you can shape the part exactly to measurement.
All relieved resp. p/e parts are attached, the body is completed and ready for priming and sanding...
... and priming and sanding - and...
...much later I decide that that the surfaces are even enough, all gaps filled in...
...and we slowly get an impression of the general look of the models.
Damn autofocus! This picture should show the relieved radii on the wings...
Well, I'll take some new pictures (sharp ones) soon, and slowly I'm heading the colour choice. I'll be back very soon, promised!
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On top, it's time for "one step forward, two steps back", requiring doing complicate works again and again. Will there be any light at the end of the tunnel?
