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Post by gauchoman on Apr 27, 2023 7:48:58 GMT -5
I hereby start a new thread with road cars. Most of them are local versions of worldwide know models, however, we may find some cases only produced locally and unknown. In the middle of these extremes, we find my favorite one: the Torino. Later, I will make separated post for the most interesting reproductions. TORINO During the sixties, Argentina market of big cars consisted of American models from Ford, Chevrolet and Chrysler, however the marketing said that people were claiming for a new car with an "european look". IKA (Industrias Kaiser Argentina), got the toolings from AMC for the 1964 Rambler American. Fangio mediated with Pininfarina so that they could add european look in the AMC model. Pininfarina took the Rambler and introduced several changes in the front and rear, as well as inside. There were other mechanic changes (different motor, gear, rear axe, etc) made by the argentine engineers.  The name of the new car was inspired in the italian city Torino, which involves an important automotive legacy. IKA had to ask permssion to Ford, that had the name Torino registered. Ford had no plans to launch it´s Torino in Argentina, so the granted to IKA the right to use the name. + Strange thing 1: Despite of the automotive legacy of Torino city, the name Torino was relationed with the argentine bulls, nobody thought of the italian city (!?). + Strange thing 2: Five years later, Ford launched their Torino in Argentina, but they had to use a different name: Fairlane.  The IKA Torino was launched on 1967 and resulted a local icon from the first minute, scoring excellent results in local TC races.  Some may remember, the participation in the Marathon de la Route, raced in Nurburgring, on 1969. Three Torinos run there and one of them finished in first position, although it was penalized due to the exhaust muffler being broken. Production lasted for 15 years with a total output of almost 100,000 in different versions. To be continued! Gaucho Man |
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Post by Tom on Apr 27, 2023 7:56:21 GMT -5
I've always liked that Torino, somehow the front end reminds me of a 1970s Simca.
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Post by DeadCanDanceR on Apr 27, 2023 10:05:57 GMT -5
Nice! I also like the Torino and have always felt that it was far better looking than its North American relative!
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Post by reeft1 on Apr 27, 2023 10:29:09 GMT -5
That does look good!
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Post by Alfaholic on Apr 28, 2023 1:28:59 GMT -5
An attractive car and a great collection.
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Post by bertone on Apr 28, 2023 17:16:39 GMT -5
somehow the front end reminds me of a 1970s Simca. My thoughts exactly, both nice looking motors. |
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Post by JSB33 on Apr 29, 2023 10:42:06 GMT -5
The Torino looks great and you have quite a collection of them. Of course I have always liked the Rambler to.
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Post by gauchoman on Apr 30, 2023 7:00:56 GMT -5
I've always liked that Torino, somehow the front end reminds me of a 1970s Simca. May be, we know that most of the cars of a certain era, fit on the same certain fashion, and feature the same certain style resources. Nice! I also like the Torino and have always felt that it was far better looking than its North American relative! Pininfarina is the difference, the european touch. I is amazing to see the Torino and the Rambler, just to compare and find similarities. Although I have no relationship with the Torino, I never took part on it, I am very proud of it! An attractive car and a great collection. Thank you. Believe me, it took a lot of years to gather all those models. somehow the front end reminds me of a 1970s Simca. My thoughts exactly, both nice looking motors. Same years, same fashion, same style, same design. I have also thought that rear lights remind me of Ferrari coupes. The Torino looks great and you have quite a collection of them. Of course I have always liked the Rambler to. The Rambler was a very good car too, even more powerful, it was even used as a hot rod! |
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Post by gauchoman on May 1, 2023 7:41:20 GMT -5
Torino by Buby Nowadays, almost every argentine collector can have his own diecast Torino, thanks to Salvat, the Inolvidables partwork filled all the desirables spaces in all collections. In fact, the Torino was a pending assignature of most argentine people, collectors or simple fans. The only alternative in diecast was the Buby. To understand the demand of diecast Torinos, a Buby 1/43 Torino costed over USD 500 before partwork (price for mint in box condition could duplicate this amount). Today the same model can be found at USD 300. When Buby made his diecast the concept of "diecast collection" had not been invented yet. His models were very close to the concept of toy, however it included some amazing details. For example, each door consisted of 3 pieces: metal door, transparent window and interior trimm. Please meet my old school racing Buby Torino, bought around forty years after the exworks date. Opening doors painted in black, fenders enlarged and hand placed transfers.  This unit does not include the triangular window of the door.    That's All Folks! Gaucho Man |
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Post by Tom on May 1, 2023 13:41:17 GMT -5
I started collecting 1:43 in 1985. You had Brumm, Rio, Solido Age d'Or and toys... old and new. Buby got some interest here too, because they made cars that nobody else made. They were also hard to find and expensive.
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Post by gauchoman on May 3, 2023 17:46:11 GMT -5
I started collecting 1:43 in 1985. You had Brumm, Rio, Solido Age d'Or and toys... old and new. Buby got some interest here too, because they made cars that nobody else made. They were also hard to find and expensive. It was the same for me (worse if you know that one of the Buby factories was at less than 20km from my home!). At the times of these Bubys, I was a kid. When I started collecting, there were no more Bubys on sale. And when I understood and liked them, they were very expensible. Sad story, sad to have arrived 20 years late to Buby heritage. Currently, I only have a couple of models that I bought on second hand market. And the 1999 series, of which I will speak soon. Thank you, Gaucho Man |
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Post by gauchoman on May 4, 2023 9:54:13 GMT -5
Torino Nurburgring - MR clone and Buby 1999 The fans of the Torino are very proud of the "Argentine Mission" that raced in the Marathon de la Route 1969, which took place on Nurburgring. There were three Torinos that started the race, two were crashed and the last one finished with the highest quantity of laps, however they were disqualified for a broken muffler. I have several Nurburgring Torinos, but in this case, I gathered two models so that you can compare them.  On 1998 someone, cloned a Buby Torino and made a lot of cloned units, painting the resulting models to match the Nurburgring Torinos. As per today standards, the models were forgetable, but remember that we are on 1998, the Inolvidables partwork would appear 18 years later. Therefore, the cloned Torino was the only alternative for collectors and fans.  As you can see, the model is very basic, just a resin body, no inserts, no details except for black windows and some decals. Remember there was no alternative.  Causality of coincidence? One year later, on 1999, Buby started selling his "1999 Series". 1999 Series was an emission of Torinos (standard and Nurburgring), Ford Falcon (standard and Sprint) and Chevy. There was also a city bus in 1/50 scale.  There is an urban legend that these 1999 models are made in plastic and feature a lead weight to resemble the natural weight of a diecast. I did not dare to open my cars, so I cannot confirm nor deny the existence of the weights suspected to be inside.  Comparing the 1999 Torinos with the old TC model, we fin no opening doors and other slight differences that confirm that the dies are very similar but not the same (rear lights, transparent piece, front additional lights, no bumpers). That's All Folks! Gaucho Man |
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Post by Tom on May 4, 2023 12:28:32 GMT -5
I recall waiting for ages for new models, and going home happily with what I now consider a primitive model. Or paying a fortune for a rough white metal copy of and old Dinky or Corgi. Collecting was very different in the '80s and '90s.
Nice nostalgic models. I bet you were proud of them when you got them.
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Post by gauchoman on May 6, 2023 20:45:19 GMT -5
I recall waiting for ages for new models, and going home happily with what I now consider a primitive model. Or paying a fortune for a rough white metal copy of and old Dinky or Corgi. Collecting was very different in the '80s and '90s. Nice nostalgic models. I bet you were proud of them when you got them. Here it has been the same situation. Models very expensible and most of them were rather primitives. Anyway, I was very proud of them. And I am still proud of them. All those primitive models are the history of diecast, the history of my collection, the history of my passion. |
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Post by gauchoman on May 6, 2023 20:52:15 GMT -5
Torino Nurburgring - Minarge  Circa year 2000 there was another Torino for sale. Strange, unknown and not cheap. There were very few units, very nice presented, under the brand Minarge, which dissapeared as unexpectedly as it had appeared. Mistery! Anyway, It was something different, and may be, the best diecast Torino up today.    That's All Folks! Gaucho Man |
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